Lurker > Jeff AKA Snoopy

The series is awful and has none of the charm or talent of the original.

Why the hell does anyone care?
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It is all about the words you use.

If you want to take someone out, I feel that implies you are taking care if financial burden.

"Wanna grab something to eat" doesn't imply that.
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People like it, and it is fun to watch on stream.

Remember a few years ago when you had to BUY an online pass for a game? Really awful stuff has a tendency to phase put of games.

As for the loot boxes, I have had this argument with others on this board. It it all cosmetic. Call me when you can use these loot boxes to start a match with a sniper rifle.
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I wonder if that is a word that, when used in Sweden, isn't really considered as negative as it is in N/A?

I dunno.
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Exactly, no need for weird gimmick controls, let me just play more levels of fucking Monkey Ball!
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I suppose this is why... nobody cares.
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I just want them to be appropriate for their body. If it looks "weird" it turns off. Otherwise, full steam ahead!
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Damn it!
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Isn't she in Arrow?
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My tip is to Meta-Deck everything, because everyone else does.
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Eww Eyes/10
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It is better than most of the animated drek we get for adults.

It is not for everyone, but this kind of topic has been made ad-nauseum. I'm almost feel this is a parody topic.
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The question I would have is when did this all start?

I honestly look fondly back on the pop charts from even the early 2000's (I'm 33 and Canadian, FYI), and felt there was still some diversity that existed at that point. It has only felt like the past 10 years or so have been REALLY bad in terms of all pop chart music sounding exactly the same.
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Moana out of those listed.

Moana
Mulan
Jasmine
Tiana
Pocahontas
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In terms of attractiveness, or just the best character?
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No pics is a party foul.

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But I like Beer-battered Shrimp.
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B overall.

People know him, even if just as Luke Skywalker.
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Metro is excellent too.
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You're a supporter of Nintendo who has actively put entire modes of their games behind pay walls. EDIT : You did praise them earlier in the topic when they have exceptionally recent issues of locking game stuff behind pay walls... and not just cosmetics.

I literally cannot think of anything more dirty than that. Why do I have to buy a fucking Amiibo to play the hardest difficulty of the Metroid 2 Remake? How is that BETTER than loot boxes that I don't have to buy at all being available if people want them?

I don't understand your issue with this idea of a "grind fest". What was the end goal before in PUBG? There is no end, the only goal of the game is to keep playing it if you are enjoying it, right? Was the goal always, "I want these cosmetic items!" for you?

They could make the game SUPER grind heavy, I'll either play enough to get those items or I won't, and ultimately they just make my character look different.

Do you have an issue with World of Warcraft and the rarity of certain drops? The fact that you might have to run the same raid 30-40 times before you get what you were looking for?
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legendarylemur posted...

A lot of anime is overrated though. There are anime that avid watchers watch that are really bad, but it's enjoyed for how good it is as an anime rather than as a media. Meanwhile, Little Witch Academia has mass appeal and widely varying style that is well blended into the overall theme of the anime. Anybody can watch it and enjoy it

It is basically another form of Harry Potter, which definitely has universal appeal.

My wife runs a small youtube page and on a podcast where I get to co-host with her, we were discussing anime that could be used to initiate people into the medium. Little Witch Academia is perfect for that.
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Trust NINTENDO, who put entire modes behind pay walls for both Breath of the Wild and the Metroid 2 remake?

Talk about wrapping your lips around a company cock.
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I'm a corporate shill for continuing to enjoy a product that adds bonus features I don't plan to purchase?

That argument has absolutely no validity at all. You act as if I have some sort of dog in this race, so to speak. Do I want BlueHole to be successful? Yes I do, as they have provided a fun game for me to play that I enjoy. Do I care that they have added loot boxes on top of their original idea for the game that is entirely optional? Hell no.

They could add in a feature where you can pay 20 dollars to make your character look like Barney, I wouldn't give a fuck. If they start to mess with core gameplay mechanics, then I would be mad. If you can pay to start with a certain gun, or pay to make your hit box smaller, or something like that? Hell yes I would be pissed off. I wouldn't play the game anymore.

The fact that some stupid idiots out there will pay boat loads of money to try and make their character look a certain way has no effect on me or the game that I'm playing. You want to champion some sort of crusade against micro-transactions, go ahead.

For the record, I don't care about the micro-transactions in Shadow of War either. If idiots want to spend real money to make their character great, how does that impact my experience with the game? Oh no, are they going to lock the best equipment possible behind a pay wall? Are they going to make the game impossible to beat without putting more money in?

Of course not.
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Joe should win. Cena should be used to move forward others as he slowly fades into more part time.
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Fine then, don't support them. Go to their official forums and complain, try and demand your money back if this shift in their game making is so egregious.

And it being optional is not a fallacy, especially in a product that has at this point delivered everything it promised to those who backed it. They are free to do what they want extra on top of that if they so choose to. If they want to make thousands of dollars off loot boxes that are outside the original pitch of the game, they are fine to do that. Perhaps they won't get as many sales of the game now that these horrifying micro-transactions are included.

The fact that you won't even admit to the fact that they have delivered on what they promised for backers is embarrassing. Your "don't know, don't care" is simply a cover because you don't want to admit you are wrong. This "new direction" may turn people away now, no question. It is still within the parameters of what the developers promised to provide their players.

The fact that YOU think developers and producers won't try to make more money off a game makes you the naive one. Did you think they were going to try to "be better" than everyone else? They have, IMO, provided the best game of this style that exists today, and if that almost means that the game will have some stupid loot boxes that I would never indulge in anyways because I'm not a sucker, so be it.

Be incredulous, be inflammatory. The fundamental principals here are two-fold.

1. This is not a full price game. You keep calling it that, when full price games are nearly double the price of this. Stop acting like you've paid 60 dollars for this game and you are entitled to what you THINK that symbolizes. Hell, the new Shadow of Mordor game has loot boxes and micro-transactions in the SINGLE PLAYER mode. Your perception of what you are entitled to means nothing.

2. When you purchased this game (assuming you did), they have since delivered on the promises they put forth in their developers guide. This game is in no way fundamentally different than what was promised, at all. Arguably it is better for adding cosmetic options that many users seem to be perfectly fine with. You do not have to indulge in any of it, and it is still the game you were promised and you paid for, without any extra fee's.

Until you can tell me how your PERCEPTION of the worth of a game is indicative of what they can and cannot do with their game, and how they have lied in any particular way... none of your arguments really have any validity at all.

Are loot boxes inherently anti-consumer. Yes. Are they completely optional? Yes. Are they borderline predatory to those who have no self control? Yes.

Am I a smart consumer who does not need to be protected from this "scourge"? Yes.
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Was there any promise, in any way, of cosmetic items for the release of the game, at the price you paid for it? In the original pitch of the game, was that included?

If not, this is an extra feature they are adding above and beyond what was promised in their game plan. It is something that you do not, in ANY WAY, have to participate in.

Loot boxes have some inherent features that are designed to make money as opposed to being pro consumer. This is true. This will also be involved in MANY games for many years to come. Hopefully they do add a feature where you can just "buy that costume" instead of going through the loot boxes. That is ideal, no question.
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It is basically just Harry Potter in anime form. And I'm cool with that.
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Assuming the machine is a constant stream as opposed to only activating on his breathing, it's possible it is just programmed to be at certain intervals.
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You seem to have this idea that loot boxes are inherently anti consumer and that they are evil and equate to some horrific thing.

They are cosmetic items. Would you prefer that no cosmetic items exist? I can actually see that point of view. As it stands now though, it seems you just have an issue with the loot box formula.

You are an entitled little baby who wants everything just given to him for free. The game YOU paid for has been delivered and is being updated constantly. New maps will be made, new stuff will be added in.

You know how that is being paid for? How the game will be made better than Bluehole Studios could have ever conceived? That same system that you're bitching about now.

Would you rather the game stay as it was before the loot boxes, maybe get another 2 maps, and that's it? Or would you rather the game be constantly providing income for the developers and thus be supported for the better part of a decade? That is what loot boxes get you.

And those loot boxes don't change anything about the game, with the exception it seems to trigger your entitled ass that you deserve all this EXTRA content for free.
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Romulox28 posted...

MACisBack posted...

I agree with TC, their games have been ice cold.

alright alright alright alright alright alright

OK NOW LADIES!
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Are any of the cosmetics only available to those who PAY for loot boxes, instead of to those who grind for them in game?

If there is, that is a valid point of concern. If not, you have absolutely no leg to stand on. They are still free if you play enough. Is there a luck aspect to it? Yes, but same goes for buying the loot boxes for real world money.

And yeah, they said they weren't going to look at microtransactions until the game was out of early development. Obviously they found a system they feel works and is fair and could implement it now FOR THE FANS as opposed to waiting.

If you think this took much of their time, effort, and programming... no it didn't. They came up with a system that has proven to work and programmed it in, so that people who want to take part in it can. Oh my goodness, it put back their development what, a week at MOST?
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Naughty Dog.
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I am not entitled to any cosmetic items that were not part of the original game.

Yeah, if they said SPECIFICALLY when you basically kickstarted the game, "We are going to have cosmetic items you can grind for in the game. There will never be a paid aspect to this, all in game loot" then I can see being upset by this.

IMO, all the loot boxes and cosmetic items are above and beyond what the game was meant to provide. So saying they are "cutting content and putting them into boxes" is 100% incorrect. They are creating new content that are part of the loot box culture.

They didn't cut anything, they added.
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I support their decision to give the user base what they want. If cosmetic items are something enough of the fan base was asking for, then they answered to their fan base.

Explain to me why making cosmetic changes available in a way that is accepted in the gaming culture is a bad thing.

This isn't like Hearthstone where you arguably NEED to buy packs (spending real money) to be competitive. Would it be "ideal" to just allow people to buy/use their in game currency to get whatever cosmetic item they want? Sure, that would be an avenue to take, no question. It would be more customer friendly, absolutely.

I can't think of many games that allow you to do that though. Instead it is loot boxes. If you don't want to support loot boxes, don't buy them. But, hundreds of thousands of people do, so it is obviously a gaming convention that is supported by the general community.
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Again, players who want to change their cosmetics SHOULD have the ability to pay for it if they want.

Call me when you can pay to start the game with a sniper rifle. This shit does nothing to alter the gameplay. And anyone who is playing the game to specifically "get cosmetic items"... well, play a different game now. Seriously, not a big deal.
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Bluehole ARE the publishers of the game you twit. So yeah, giving them money for a loot box to look slightly different than other players is directly benefiting them.
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I don't get the argument as to why cosmetic in game purchases are something to fight against.

They make more money for the developers ideally to either put back into the game or into a new game, and it literally does nothing to change the core gameplay.
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If you can't buy stuff to make yourself better, I don't care.
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Remember, favorite doesn't always mean best.

That being said, TimeSplitters 2 baby!
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What games can the Xbox One X play that I couldn't from a PC? Why should I put my money into that console as opposed to making my PC stronger?
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Cool beans!
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Why would you care about consequence? You can literally make a wish and make it all reverse. I think it's almost kinda meta in a way, Goku realizes that nothing has consequence anymore, so why act like it does
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